tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post5718839616315525865..comments2023-08-04T11:53:44.016-04:00Comments on Geoff Mangum's PuttingZone Blog & Podcasts: AimPoint Charts Use Illegal?Geoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12664763981418446219noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-21047300048120199062011-09-16T11:40:19.891-04:002011-09-16T11:40:19.891-04:00We are not discussing instruction books but a char...We are not discussing instruction books but a chart designed to help you decide where to aim for the break of THIS putt and then THAT putt etc. throughout a stipulated round of "golf" as defined by the written Rules. One cannot interpret the Rules without reading them and discussing the language of the Rules, but you don't seem to do that. Show me the language in the Rules that Geoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12664763981418446219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-33820008120730327152011-09-16T06:33:55.470-04:002011-09-16T06:33:55.470-04:00The Rules do permit you to carry around a book tha...The Rules do permit you to carry around a book that someone printed and sold. You can carry around and refer to fourteen instruction books by Hank Haney and David Leadbetter if you want. As John Graham pointed out, you're leaving out the word "manner."<br /><br />It's very simple: you're wrong, and the USGA will tell you.<br /><br />As for your last paragraph, Geoff, I'mErik J. Barzeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11994809867820102323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-10534671443038588112011-09-15T23:31:19.238-04:002011-09-15T23:31:19.238-04:00Dear Erik,
With all due respect, you can write wh...Dear Erik,<br /><br />With all due respect, you can write whatever you want in a yardage book, but the Rules of golf don't allow you to carry a book that someone printed and sold you that contains advice about how to play a shot or that contains elevation or gradient measurements in it. That's an "artificial device", all are illegal unless approved as "a traditionally Geoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12664763981418446219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-88382811501767236912011-09-15T23:07:41.405-04:002011-09-15T23:07:41.405-04:00Geoff, you continue to be wrong on this. I can wri...Geoff, you continue to be wrong on this. I can write whatever I want down in a yardage book. I cannot actually "measure" something during a round of golf.<br /><br />It's very easy to understand.<br /><br />But at this point you can take it up with the "weirdos undermining the game at Far Hills."<br /><br />Good luck to you.Erik J. Barzeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11994809867820102323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-62129888551582683462011-09-14T22:52:51.300-04:002011-09-14T22:52:51.300-04:00And oh yes, as to the idea that just because the a...And oh yes, as to the idea that just because the advice is computed prior to the start of the round means it is okay: that's just goofy thinking by willful people in Far Hills trying to bend the rules so hacker get a lower score without real skill. That sort of reasoning is specious. the Rules restrict the game to the golfer and the course; not the golfer and the course and prior computationsGeoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12664763981418446219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-91720997873165313442011-09-14T22:42:44.684-04:002011-09-14T22:42:44.684-04:00Once again with feeling: The "equipment czar&...Once again with feeling: The "equipment czar" in an advisory letter about an artificial device rendered a ruling in March 2008 that was obviously wrong under the Rules as written. It happens. If you think his ruling is not inconsistent with the Rules as written (Rule 14), then I ask you to explain how the ruling that says "yardage books are the only artificial device allowed, and Geoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12664763981418446219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-6081630627439318052010-12-04T16:59:53.348-05:002010-12-04T16:59:53.348-05:00Dear Erik,
Yes, the discussion I am engaging in i...Dear Erik,<br /><br />Yes, the discussion I am engaging in is "should" this sort of cheating be allowed. You "argue" that the charts don't offer advice or a suggestion of how to play the putt, but that is ignoring what Aimpoint claims it is "FOR". Of course it offers advice about how specific putts should be aimed and played with line and speed. You can't Geoff Mangumhttp://puttingzone.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-39765979853091255712010-12-04T14:57:22.741-05:002010-12-04T14:57:22.741-05:00Again, Geoff, discussions of "SHOULD" an...Again, Geoff, discussions of "SHOULD" and the ramifications of the USGA's changes to the Rules are a different discussion.<br /><br />Currently, the Rules of Golf specifically permit information like this to be used, as it's written prior to the round, and a piece of paper - laminated or not - cannot "offer advice" nor can they "measure" anything (ruling out Erik J. Barzeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11994809867820102323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-86233587762208651062010-12-04T13:34:59.224-05:002010-12-04T13:34:59.224-05:00Dear Erik,
The distinction is about something oth...Dear Erik,<br /><br />The distinction is about something other than the golfer (or his caddie) offering advice or suggestion about how to play this stroke or shot. That's illegal, and the USGA has only allowed a "yardage book" as an exception officially. And even then, they called the yardage book a device and ruled it permissible ONLY because limited to nothing more than yardage. Geoff Mangumhttp://puttingzone.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-10604547092328506492010-12-04T11:26:49.819-05:002010-12-04T11:26:49.819-05:00The discussion of whether charts SHOULD be illegal...The discussion of whether charts SHOULD be illegal is a different one altogether than whether they ARE illegal.<br /><br />The simple truth is that they're not illegal. A golfer could read a copy of printed pages from your book, Geoff, while walking to each of the 18 greens he plays in the last round of a U.S. Open and it's not illegal.<br /><br />Caddies can and do mark down direction ofErik J. Barzeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11994809867820102323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074013.post-6995913777030415082010-04-21T11:31:40.830-04:002010-04-21T11:31:40.830-04:00Here is a detailed description of the AimPoint sys...Here is a detailed description of the AimPoint system by John Graham, top golf teacher and all-around nice guy in Rochester NY, in his <a href="www.johngrahamgolf.com" rel="nofollow"> JohnGrahamGolf.com</a> blog at this post: <a href="http://johngrahamgolf.com/blog/aimpoint-golf-green-reading-aimcharts/" rel="nofollow">AimPoint Charts</a>.Geoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12664763981418446219noreply@blogger.com